according to MSNBC Analyst
Published on July 2, 2005 By zinkadoodle In Politics
If this is true, then Rove is looking at a bunch of heavy duty federal indictments that not even his chow boy, bush, will be able to bail him out of. Purjury will be the least of his problems. I believe Acts of Treason will be the bigger hammer. If this is true, then finally it will be put to rest that the White House itself was the leak. And, the contention that it was to discredit Plame's husband for stating that the Niger documents were false will finally, finally see the light of day in mainstream media. And, maybe, maybe it will be the beginning of the end of the dubya dynasty. This country is long overdue for a regime change.

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MSNBC Analyst Says Cooper Documents Reveal Karl Rove as Source in Plame Case

By E&P Staff

Published: July 01, 2005 11:30 PM ET

NEW YORK Now that Time Inc. has turned over documents to federal court, presumably revealing who its reporter, Matt Cooper, identified as his source in the Valerie Plame/CIA case, speculation runs rampant on the name of that source, and what might happen to him or her. Tonight, on the syndicated McLaughlin Group political talk show, Lawrence O'Donnell, senior MSNBC political analyst, claimed to know that name--and it is, according to him, top White House mastermind Karl Rove.

Here is the transcript of O'Donnell's remarks:

"What we're going to go to now in the next stage, when Matt Cooper's e-mails, within Time Magazine, are handed over to the grand jury, the ultimate revelation, probably within the week of who his source is.

"And I know I'm going to get pulled into the grand jury for saying this but the source of...for Matt Cooper was Karl Rove, and that will be revealed in this document dump that Time magazine's going to do with the grand jury."

Other panelists then joined in discussing whether, if true, this would suggest a perjury rap for Rove, if he told the grand jury he did not leak to Cooper.

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on Jul 05, 2005

Zink, try a little logic.

If Rove was the leak, do you think the MSM would not have passed the info along to the kerry Camp in 04 to torpedo Bush?

When you look at it that way, you see that Rove cannot be the leak or they would have used that a long time ago against him.  After all, the MSM hates Rove.

But this is all play anyway.  The leaker was Joe Wilson himself.

on Jul 05, 2005
Deal with and only with the very real issue of an act of treason which jeapordized an American agent's identity and by extension their life. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Democrat. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Republican. He did it as a punishment directed at someone who crossed his political line.


Who are you talking about being blind? You are saying Rove committed treason with no proof. Why? Because of your blind hatred for Bush and anybody around him.

I asked for proof and not one person has provided a single piece of evidence showing Rove did anything wrong, or anything at all for that matter.

Something else I find interesting is that people have already convicted Rove, but Sandy Berger gets caught red handed stealing top secret documents, and it's swept under the rug by the media. Tell me there is no liberal agenda again.
on Jul 05, 2005
It's really unfortunate people can be so ridiculous and deliberately blind. Of course the serious crime of outing a CIA agent is on the backburner.


Since she was not an Agent, but only an annalist (i.e. department staff, not field officer), a trial for treason would be out. Whoever it was, they would just be subject to all penalties related to releasing "Confidential" information. Something far from "Top Secret", or "Secret".

I personally don't think it was Rove for one simple common sense fact:

1. The event in question happened in 2003.
2. Those who are pointing the fingers now, claim to have known since 2003 that it was Rove.
3. Every one claiming now to know it was Rove, are all vocal flaming left wing liberals.
4. We just went through a knock down, drag out fight for the presidency.
5. Why did they not say something at the ultimate moment to bring Bush and his campaign manager down?

It just does not make since why these ultra liberals didn't slam Bush at the best time to do so.
on Jul 05, 2005
What have you read? An "analysts" opinion. As most accusations against Bush, Rove, and the other people the left hate the most, you have absolutely no proof of your accusations.


Proof is just an unnecessary inconvenience, ID. Just ask Dan Rather. All that matters is the charge and the "issues the charge raises."

Proof of wrongdoing (probably qualifying as treason in some respects) is documented and admitted by Berger but the left just dismisses going after him as nitpicking by the "vast RWC."

This whole thing is just a continuation of the failed tactics used by many in the runup to the election last November - hurl accusation after accusation, innuendo after innuendo, without factual foundation, and hope that something sticks or tars someone. How could Rove do anything that could possibly make him any more evil than the left already believe him to be? He was "convicted" by the left for high crimes (AKA "winning") long ago, as zink not so eloquently makes clear. The left is desparate for a scalp, any scalp, no matter. Their desparation just makes them look smaller and smaller. Not a statesman among them anymore.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jul 05, 2005
Who are you talking about being blind? You are saying Rove committed treason with no proof. Why? Because of your blind hatred for Bush and anybody around him.


One day he is sane, the next nuts! I placed him well on the cusp on the Liberal and the LLL
on Jul 05, 2005
Proof is just an unnecessary inconvenience, ID. Just ask Dan Rather. All that matters is the charge and the "issues the charge raises."


And the seriousness of the charges! Evidence be damned! It is the seriousness of the charges!

Who else said that? Hmmmmm, maybe Germany circa 1940? Sounds like the Socialist in nationalist Socialist is coming home to roost!
on Jul 05, 2005
If it turns out to be Rove or sone other very senior Bush staff member there are two very interesting questions. First, who, if anyone, directed them to leak the info? Second, what will Bush do if the source is convicted and sent to prison?
on Jul 05, 2005
One day he is sane, the next nuts! I placed him well on the cusp on the Liberal and the LLL


When it comes to someone like Rove, the left hates him about as much as Bush, maybe more. You see how I have asked for proof several times and nobody responds. It's just like asking the col to prove one of his allegations without using polls.
on Jul 05, 2005
Rove and no proof. It's so silly bordering on lunacy. We all know politicians do dirty deeds and this Rove is no different. You can't possibly be saying he's never done anything wrong ever. And Wilson himself. I kind of think your ignorance got the better of you. What a joke. Sentence 1. Don't judge Rove with no evidence (it's actually public knowledge now so someone who commented is on crack). Sentence 2. Ahhh Wilson himself did it....Speaking about proof with no proof to back it up? Followup please.
on Jul 05, 2005
Like I've always stated, the party system is deliberate in its intent. Here we have an action of treason, and you idiots talk politics and sides and vendettas and all that shite. Maybe if you blind leading the blind would ONLY address the issue then something could be done about it. F**k the fact someone may be a Democrat, F**k the fact someone may be a Republican. Deal with and only with the very real issue of an act of treason which jeapordized an American agent's identity and by extension their life. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Democrat. Rove didn't commit treason because someone was a Republican. He did it as a punishment directed at someone who crossed his political line.


Please explain just how you see this as treason:


Oran's Dictionary of the Law (1983) defines treason as: "...[a]...citizen's actions to help a foreign government overthrow, make war against, or seriously injure the [parent nation]."
on Jul 05, 2005
Rove and no proof. It's so silly bordering on lunacy. We all know politicians do dirty deeds and this Rove is no different. You can't possibly be saying he's never done anything wrong ever.


I didn't say he's never done anything wrong. You accused him of committing treason. I asked for proof. You still have not provided it. Are you going to retract your statement now?
on Jul 05, 2005
We all know politicians do dirty deeds and this Rove is no different.


So he is guilty of treason, because he is a politician?

Cool, lets start hanging all those b*#$ers. I'll bring the tar, you bring the feathers. Let’s start first in the New England area, those guys have been the worst for years.
on Jul 05, 2005
Leave it to Gene to take speculation two hypothetical steps further. Just more of the same - never learns.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jul 05, 2005
Leave it to Gene to take speculation two hypothetical steps further. Just more of the same - never learns.


Leave to col to somehow fault Bush for it.
on Jul 05, 2005

When it comes to someone like Rove, the left hates him about as much as Bush, maybe more. You see how I have asked for proof several times and nobody responds. It's just like asking the col to prove one of his allegations without using polls.

Probably true.  They hate what they cannot defeat in rational debate.

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